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140 Responses to “Page 98: The First Zombie Speaks”
comments said he lost the eye while in the coffin in the ocean, which is a slap in the face during 65 years of torture. but i believe there was a comment that said he can probably still see from there anyway. although a zombie with depth perception problems, constantly trying to bite you and missing. that’s pretty funny.
Hahahaha, I laughed a good time over 5 minutes at seeing TFZ’s face xD. It’s just so…wtf, who the hell do you think you are? Lol, all the drama and suddenly, bam. This is going to look great in a theatre, I’m really looking forward to seeing this in film format.
Still missing Val… *sigh* This page is full of awesome, though. I loved the creepy spider-head zombie and the guys throwing a tv (!!!) at the zombies. Overall funny page, throughly enjoyed it.
now is the time .. now is the place .. for the first zombie to monologue ..start do and finish the plan … but since these are the “LAST” humans on earth that can hear and understand his pain and hate … heh addison thinks in very long terms it seems… well done there … good thing the trekkies didn’t get ahold of this as they would blow each panel of each page to wall sized photos and have their squads of minions (you might compare them to zombies even … well more borg like in their fashion) to analyze each and every detail …
Bobby/Owen- I haven’t really commented much, but I think it’s time. There’s a million freakin zombie/ vampire stories out there, and (as you kinda said once), none of them really have a plot beyond “Lookie! Zombies!”. But the way you have this laid out, the mix of action and drama, how well thought out the plot is, and how all the connections come together is nothing short of awesome. Oh, and the art kicks ass Owen! That last panel with TFZ is just dripping with awesome. Can’t wait to see the rest, guys.
Well yeah. These guys redefined Zombie horror and hopefully set a path for others from those Horrible and Corny Anne Rice novels. Vampires and Zombies with a good reason for the other instead of “Just because it would be cool.”
Ahh… TFZ, we love you man! Every strip with him in it just gets better and better. Of course, I have a soft spot for the bad guys myself. “Do I…. LOOK like Sullivan Davis!?” That had to hurt. All this mass slaughter, billions of zombies, rocket lanchers, chained vampires, and a staked Val… But people are still confused to to who he is. I’m TF Fucking Z!
Am I the only one who really feels sorry for the two guys getting bit in the comic? I mean even if they aren’t mauled to death, they’re still either gonna turn into zombies or get killed to stop the infection.
“Shouldnâ€™t he have patch on his jacket with his name on it?”
Judging by the attire, TFZ is wearing a dress uniform. Dress uniforms do not have a name patch sewn onto the right breast like fatigues do.
Side Note- I read the “spoiler” comments previously and this page is still top notch. I know the general idea of what’s going to happen and how it will end but seeing the progression is far more entertaining. Keep up the good work.
You know what the biggest shame is? That TFZ has to die. He just looks so badass. He would have made a great long-term villain. Damn airports, and page limits, making this end instead of letting is continue onward for another 100 pages…
It’s not Mac because of the hair, though admittedly his facial structure/expressions look similar to Mac’s. I thought to myself when I read this page, “Oh shit, I thought Mac was gonna live, didn’t Bobby say so- oh wait, hair, it’s all good”.
So T minus 8 pages till REAL Sully Davis shows up. 8 Pages of exposition for the win? Or are we gonna get the human population further culled before Davis makes his entrance.
I know Bobby’s said repopulation doesn’t play a part in it, but if he keeps killing off humans and vampires, it’s going to be hard to dismiss all those comments, because there just AREN’T going to be enough survivors, period.
*wonders what a zombie voice would sound like*
I know he probably doesn’t need vocal chords whoch would be rotted. I bet he could use your dead ass to speak, just like he could use it to see:P
But i’m curious anyways.
Also the line from TFZ in the last panel is like OH SNAP.
This is my first time commenting ^_^, and I have to say, this comic is freakin’ amazing!! The artwork, the story, it’s all great, and it will definately make an AWESOME movie. Strangely enough, zombies freak me the fuck out so I generally tend to avoid any stories that have zombies, but the plot in this is enough to keep me coming back.
Also, how cool is it that the one dude chucked a tv at the zombie before he was bitten?
I have really gotten back into comics after a long time when my friend pointed this story out to me. I don’t understand what everyone likes about the TFZ, he doesn’t strike me as anything special, either as a charater or as a ZED. The Hitler haircut and the total lack of depth (thus far) doesn’t make him compelling. The head vamp on the otherhand… hes a badass.
I have to say, I thought the spiders in the zombie lady’s hair were a GREAT effect and very well done. Nice detail! Also her optic nerves dangling – ooh, creepy. I also like that we can finally get a good look at TFZ’s full face – didn’t realize he was partially to the skull until this page and it makes a great contrast to the skin on the right side of his face, which allows him some range of emotional expression. That Owen can create such a range of emotional expression from a partial face and a glowy eye is pretty amazing, so kudos to you! Great work on this page.
To those complaining because they’ve been “spoiled” by reading the comments: what are you complaining about? You were freaking WARNED that the comments were full of spoilers – you could have skipped them. It was your choice, so you have no right to complain about it.
In the Rocket Explodey page he looked kinda scrawny and his legs were a bit in a less detailed form but in this page?
He truly looks like a vampire that went through 65 years of hunger. Missing flesh yet a strong face. TFZ looks like a villain that could actually bring about the end of the world. The clothes he wears,the decayed look,even the fangs. You made TFZ look like a vampire and a zombie. Everything looks genuine and I can believe that he should really look like that.
Yeah, just to agree with everyone so far: TFZ has a MF-ing PRESENCE on this page. I like that Owen did something different with his word balloon, too. The black suggests the most evil voice you could imagine. He doesn’t look like “Ha, ha, funny zombie tried to look nice for his big day.” He looks like the be-all, end-all (literally) general of the zombie army. What I really like is that he clearly has personality; he’s not just generic unstoppable villain. He’s actually amused and/or surprised that April thought he was Sullivan Davis. He’s gone from “tougher zombie” to supervillain in my eyes.
Love this comic.
My brother Chris, who co-created the idea for “Last Blood,” actually letters the strip and it was his idea to make TFZ’s words white on black.Â I originally wanted a different font for TFZ, which we bought a year ago in preparation for that, but it wasn’t clear enough when we tried it last night — too hard to read it.
“Ahâ€¦ not that it has much bearing on anything, but does anyone know the actual number of people you have to have for enough genetic diversity that the human race can survive?”
Considering the human race started with Adam & Eve, only two people are necessary to create the vast number of humans that populated the earth til the flood. After that, assume Noah and his wife and sons.
So, at least one woman and one man. Thus, this contingency is covered by AFP with the youngest boy/girl scenario. Except… the one meant to fly them out is… “kinda tied up at the moment…”
“Considering the human race started with Adam & Eve, only two people are necessary to create the vast number of humans that populated the earth til the flood. After that, assume Noah and his wife and sons.”
That was when the genetic pool was still pure and free from mutations though…according to the Bible, people back then lived hundreds of years! If that were to happen today,the human race would go extinct pretty quickly with just 2 people to carry on, due to lack of strength in numbers, prevalence of genetic diseases, etc. That’s also the reason why so many species can’t be saved if only a few animals are left =(. There’s just not enough genetic diversity. Even if they were bred in zoos and released to the wild, they’d probably die out anyway.
I’m curious about Rage. I was going to ask this a few days ago, but I passed out because I’ve been sick =p
So he seems to be a sadomasochist in just about the purest sense (well, maybe not the purest sense, but I’m not questioning his sexual preferences). When vampires in this world are being turned, but haven’t had that first pint of blood, they’re in utter agony, right? When he was being turned, did he immediately quench that thirst, or did he enjoy the agony for a while? For that matter, was he turned willingly?
I was about to ask what he thinks of the humans, but I guess my interest is in all of the vampires. Do any of them other than Murdo (and Sullivan Davis, but I’m not really including him in this) genuinely care about the humans at this point, or is it all about survival? After years, decades, or centuries, would Murdo’s humanity fade into the same feelings Matheson and Val had/have?
I would love to have TFZ voice not be some hissing slithery cliche demon bad guy voice. Maybe something a little deep and slightly arrogant (He just conquesred the enitre world, he should be a little arrogant for that)
“When he was being turned, did he immediately quench that thirst, or did he enjoy the agony for a while? For that matter, was he turned willingly?”
Choosing not to spoil the RAGE series, which will hopefully come out in under a year.
“Do any of them other than Murdo (and Sullivan Davis, but Iâ€™m not really including him in this) genuinely care about the humans at this point, or is it all about survival?”
Addison cares. Some of them care a fair amount. Val cares the least in general, but now (well, before she died) wants to save them just because of her guilt for the role she played in all this, being the one who turned the schaemiac and drove him to this and so on.
“After years, decades, or centuries, would Murdoâ€™s humanity fade into the same feelings Matheson and Val had/have?”
Math cares a lot more than Val, probably the second most behind Addison. Murdo’s feelings wouldn’t change too much, since it’s a much different world now, different circumstances.
I think i missed this somewhere, but how does tfz know that she thinks he is Sullivan? she didn’t identify herself as sullivan’s granddaughter and nothing she said specifically could be taken to say “you are sullivan.”
TFZ is listening to them. Some kid there called her Miss Davis many times, I’m sure. And she looks just like her grandmother (as you’ll find out soon), among many other reasons for why he knows exactly who she is.
Well damn, now I’m confused, and that’s a difficult thing to do to me.. but I guess when you spend so much time believing an unnamed character to be one person and to find out he’s not, and in fact the name you had ascribed to him was in fact held by another significant character who has yet to even be revealed yet..
Well things are kind of awry…
as they say..
Things are not always as they seem to be.
Neither are Vampire Zombies.
Hello everyone, new fan, just found the site yesterday. Iâ€™ve noticed most references to the future are under 10 pages, please tell me the comic is going on for an extended period of time and is not drawing rapidly towards a climactic finish.
A quick question, I assume that the vampires cannot drink zombie blood (otherwise they wouldnâ€™t need humans), and that rage was just snacking on brain for the fun of it that time. But, why then could Val drink Jimmyâ€™s mothers blood? Jimmy, as a zombie, fed on her [his mother], making her a zombie. The rate of zombification seems to be dependent on the severity of the wound, and its proximity to a major artery/vein. He seems to have bitten deeply into her neck. Thus, she should be rapidly transforming into a zombie, which should make her inedible, right?
pretty awesome, i must say. And, for the hell of it – tfz (as we know him) was originally turning into a zombie (out of the first outbreak) but somebody (Sullivan Davis?) bit him before his transformation was complete, thus rendering him into a Vampire-Zombie?
Well then it couldn’t have been Sullivan Davis I guess, because that would’ve been before his time?
On the topic of the numbers needed for an isolated society to develop, 200 is a figure I’ve seen used by historians. But that that was in reference to the colonisation of New Zealand when the Maori first arrived. That was tooted as the minimum, and they would have died out with less.
I don’t know what impact modern technology, virtually unlimited canned food etc, and immortal watchmen would have on that figure.
“quote” pretty awesome, i must say. And, for the hell of it – tfz (as we know him) was originally turning into a zombie (out of the first outbreak) but somebody (Sullivan Davis?) bit him before his transformation was complete, thus rendering him into a Vampire-Zombie?
Well then it couldnâ€™t have been Sullivan Davis I guess, because that wouldâ€™ve been before his time? “”/quote”
This is my first post on this forum and I have to say, this is a bloody good comic, worthy of printing. I read around 120 web comics from which range from computer nerd comics to this kind of comic and its in my top 3 favorites along with “Earthsong” and “GOD MODE” , I love the plot and the art work great work and keep it up. Also i really want to know how the plot keeps going when the next strip is out you have made my day i wan to say thank you once again
pretty awesome, i must say. And, for the hell of it – tfz (as we know him) was originally turning into a zombie (out of the first outbreak) but somebody (Sullivan Davis?) bit him before his transformation was complete, thus rendering him into a Vampire-Zombie?”
No, TFZ was a vampire created by Val. He willingly waited at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean for 65 years until his vampire nature transformed into a zombie nature. He still has most/all of his vampire abilities, but now can create zombies with his bite. He CHOSE to become a zombie lord. So did Sullivan Davis. They were peers both embraced by Val.
I want to know if a TFZ can turn back into a normal vampire with enough blood, and can still create vampires if they choose. I suspect no, their change is permanent and they can no longer make vampires.
I just saw the discussion about restarting the human race from two people, and the repercussions it would have, and I wanted to contribute my thoughts on the matter.
Species do not need a diverse gene pool to survive. A diverse gene pool is a very good idea, though, to reduce the risk of deleterious recessive alleles. Anyone here who has been in grade 12 bio should know about recessive and dominant alleles. An allele is basically a different version of a gene. Every single organism in a sexually-reproducing species has two versions of each gene, one from each parent. Dominant alleles tend to override recessive alleles. For example, if I inherited a light-eyes allele from one parent and a dark-eyes gene from the other, I would have dark eyes. (Actually, eye colour is determined by the interaction between about half a dozen different genes, but about 74% of it is controlled by one gene, called OAC2, so eye colour isn’t too bad an example.)
Natural selection will tent to remove deleterious mutations from the gene pool, but it will only affect a gene when it is expressed. If an allele is very rare, and is only expressed when two copies of it end up in the same body, natural selection wonâ€™t have much effect on it. In addition to this, there are some deleterious recessive alleles that actually help the organism in question if they only have one copy. For example, there is one mutation in humans which gives people dramatically enhanced resistance to malaria if they have one copy, but if they inherit a copy from both parents, they end up with sicle-cell anemia.
The reason why inbreeding is usually a BAD IDEA is that people are likely to have the same recessive alleles as their close relatives. This increases the risk of those nasty deleterious recessive alleles being expressed. However, just if a family has very few of these nasty recessive alleles, then inbreeding isnâ€™t quite as dangerous. If the human race were to restart from two humans who come from the same area, there would probably be a few problems – but nothing that couldnâ€™t be overcome by just having lots of extra kids, which would be possible if the breeding pair was taken care of by vampires instead of having to fend for themselves. If these two people were from the same family, there could be major problems – but on the other hand there might not. You might end up with a whole bunch of deleterious recessive alleles, or you might be lucky.
Luposian stated that the bible said that the human race was started by two people – Adam and Eve. This isnâ€™t quite right. Later in genesis, after Cain has killed Abel, and is forced to wander the earth, he somehow finds a wife, has a lot of kids, and founds a city. The bible makes no mention of where Cainâ€™s wife came from, or where all of the people who populated the city came from (surely Cainâ€™s wife couldnâ€™t bear THAT many kids, even if she was constantly pregnant and constantly gave birth ot triplets). I guess the guys who wrote the bible forgot that there werenâ€™t supposed to be any other people on the earth at the time. In addition to this, the bible strongly implies that the sun goes around the earth, directly states that witches exist (and must be killed), implies that pi=3, and states that a particular well-known flood was caused by floodgates opening in the sky and giant underground caverns of water spouting their contents to the surface. The bible cant even agree with itself about how many animals of each type went on to the ark – first it said two, then it said seven of all clean animals and three of all unclean ones, then it said two again (if I remember correctly). Given all of this, I donâ€™t think that we can use it to reliably inform our knowledge of genetics.
I apologise for the excessive length of this post. This is my first time positing on any webcomic, so if I have broken any unwritten rules, I am sorry. Remember that I am a newb, not a noob! I have a bunch more to say (mostly about AFP, and the fate of the human race without his smarts to help them), but I think this post is already quite long enough.
By the way, Herbert West is a pseudonym that I have been using for pretty much everything on the net, so as far as the net is concerned, it might as well by my real name. Iâ€™ll see if anyone can see the reference (hint – it has something to do with a horror story published in 1922).
@Kimmie – Bobby has said that the Schaemiac process is irreversible. At this point he does not even get the blood “hunger pains” he would get as a vampire. So drinking blood will not revert him to one.
So…if TFZ starves the Math etc. of blood for…what is it….65 years? Will they each become a ‘Schaemiac’? And would I be correct in recollecting that TFZ can only be killed by ‘Stake In The Heart’? And was that bullet wound from WWII?
“Soâ€¦if TFZ starves the Math etc. of blood forâ€¦what is itâ€¦.65 years? Will they each become a â€˜Schaemiacâ€™? And would I be correct in recollecting that TFZ can only be killed by â€˜Stake In The Heartâ€™? And was that bullet wound from WWII?”
Yes, if Francis kept them prisoners for 65 years they would all become schaemiacs. But that won’t happen. And yes, he can only be killed by being staked. And that bullet wound was from Murdo shooting him in the head.
Francis’s the name of TFZ? Well, Murdo said he couldn’t believe that he just shot a “Zombie Private Ryan”.
Well, guess what? The “fake” “Private Ryan’s”, in “Saving Private Ryan” (the first one they see), full name is James Francis Ryan. Though it was in Europe that they found him and not in the pacific and he was not an airman but a regular ranger.
Speaking of that page, I have a question about that. I’ve read most of the comments and havn’t seen this asked yet, but sorry if it has. TFZ had his dog tags out when Murdo and Grady ‘killed’ and dumped him back then. How didn’t they notice then that he was Murdo’s grandpa then?
You could never re-populate the earth with a single boy and girl, it’s absolutely impossible. The best the vampires could do is create a breed of mostly retarded cattle like human to feed off of by forcing them to breed, but that wouldn’t be much of a life.
“You could never re-populate the earth with a single boy and girl, itâ€™s absolutely impossible. ”
What makes you think that was the purpose of Devian taking the two kids? Anyway, she didn’t end up doing it, so it doesn’t come into play. We also never found out in the comic what that piece of paper said.
Kimmie: Permanent change, yes. Also, SPOILER: Sullivan was actually never “with” Val and he became a vampire JUST to become a schaemiac and stop his friend, when he found out what happened, knowing his friend would follow through with it, knowing how evil and vengeful he was. It’s actually possible that Val didn’t turn Sullivan, but I haven’t decided yet. (Addison might have turned him.)
Herb: Good post, feel free to post more!
“can TFZ turn people into vampires anymore?”
No, only zombies.
“And was that bullet wound from WWII?”
No, it was from when Murdo shot him. TFZ is the zombie they’re throwing in the dumpster on Page 6.
“Will they each become a â€˜Schaemiacâ€™?”
JEEZ. Try reading Page 85.
“TFZ had his dog tags out when Murdo and Grady â€˜killedâ€™ and dumped him back then. How didnâ€™t they notice then that he was Murdoâ€™s grandpa then?”
Wasn’t his dog tags. (That’s one of many things that will be changed for the screenplay, though, to avoid confusion.)
SPOILER: The instructions that Addison gave to Devian simply say “Thank Sullivan for me.” Addison did a lot of these things just for motivational reasons, making sure the vampires don’t give up and kill themselves, trying to make it seem like there is hope and a possible victory, but he didn’t want to tell them about Sullivan (many reasons, the sequels/prequels will explain more).
An angle on re-population I’ve never heard anyone mention before: sperm banks. Banks in colder climates would take longer to thaw out, if they ever did (and, if i remmber correctly, the story takes place during the fall, giving more hope for crucial cold temperatures). So only a handful of women could produce progeny with an Extremely large genetic base, and future generations can continue this.
Woah, I have a thought that has to do with Sullivan’s change… if a vampire is “turned” and left without that quart of blood, do they get a “head start” on the schaemiac process, or do they just die. (fail to become a vampire)
Your previous posts point to the latter, but the hunger pains have been compared to that pain, but we don’t know if there is a time-limit to becoming a vampire.
“so are u going to write any prequels or secuels bobby?”
Almost certainly now, yes, since the first WOWIO payment just arrived in full (very happy and relieved).
Fink6: Don’t get a head start — still takes 65 years. You’re not “officially” a vampire until you’ve had that PINT of blood, but for all intents and purposes you’re no different. It’s possible that Sullivan never had the pint of blood because he refused to “officially” become a vampire (but he still essentially is one) and because he thought the two weeks of no horrible pain would be pointless when you’re talking about 65 years anyway.
Hey Bobby or Owen, quick question, not revelant to story just a detail thingy. I’ve noticed that all the zombies are all decayed looking and such. Does the bite triggers acceleration in the whole decomposing process or is it just a personal touch of Owen’s? Just was noticing how like even Jimmy’s lips went missing after he was turned, or maybe he was just happy because his mom was good eats
“That’s for not letting me watch Power Rangers!”
Like I said, was just curious. Curious about the rest now, you said that Sullivan went thru the process to stop Francis because he knew how evil her was. Does the mean he was a cruel bastard before he was turned? Or did the hunger pains after being turned drive him mad? Don’t want these answered, unless they’re not going to be explained in the story.
Has there ever been a Schaemiac that no one ever knew about it? Like he was just a guy that was left for dead after a vampire drained him of almost all of his blood but never thought about drinking a pint of blood?
Also does the Schaemiac process make you decompose rapidly?
The Schaemiac seems like an incredibly powerful vampire and 65 years of pain sounds like a good trade off. Maybe just get knocked into a coma and hopefully don’t wake up from it.
Damn man now that I think about it this would make a sweet MMORPG.
Congrats on the paycheck, Bobby. I’d say you earned it.
Just to be totally clear: If a human gets bitten and drained by a vampire, then raises and doesn’t get the necessary dose of the proper red stuff, he doesn’t ever officially become a vampire, but is still able to become a schaemiac if he just chills for 65 years?
Reading that sentence aloud, I now realize how a trekkie feels.
Correct, but it’s a grey area in terms of when you’re considered to “officially” be a vampire. Some vampires might consider you to be one right when you come back to life, but others might not until you’ve had the pint of blood. The process isn’t really complete until you’ve had the blood, but almost no one in history has ever NOT had the pint of blood.