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Hey Bobby ^^
Sad you had to explain it
Awesome explanation/summary ‘though.
Hope this’ll quench a lot of questions. I’m waiting for that second page Owen talked about. In the meanwhile, still amazing story.
Btw, I’m Lead prog in a game devellopment company and I sometime can suggest ideas for games or concept. I think there’s a lot to be made from your idea, although if it went out with a movie, the timing would be even better ^^ But for that, a game would need to be worked on long before
So just saying, if it interest you, just e-mail me, I’ll be glad to throw ideas with you and pass them to my bosses
Well, we know the evil-doer’s plan. Now we just need Bond to come back from the shark pit and save the day. That or wait for the vampires to pull something. Or better yet, a vampire James Bond! Damn you guys are lucky someone else is writing this, because if it were me, everyone would have given up on the comic long ago.
bobby i feel bad that you had to waste a hole page just to shut some of these people up like this. but it was probably for the better since some one reading the comic without going through the comments would maybe doubt or question. anyways some advice about the game idea- a game based off this comic could be very cool and i would certainly buy it if it was done right. but the suggestion that was made by the game developer may be a bit off. though games based off movies that are released sell very well right at the movies launch they are usualy to fan boys kids and then after words because of their very low quality as a result of being rushed to come out the exact day of the movie they are forgotten and hated with no chance of a sequals. if you make the game don’t rush developement make sure the game is qualitty and the sales may not happen all at once but they will happen over time and leave the door open for a sequal or two.
“i feel bad that you had to waste a hole page just to shut some of these people up like this.”
#1 — It won’t shut anybody up, really — the whiners will whine even more after this, I’m sure, and they’ll call the explanation laughable.
#2 — I ALWAYS planned to have this explanation in the comic and I originally planned for it to be an even longer sequence, going into more detail, seeing more flashbacks, for 2-3 pages, but there simply isn’t time for it now.Â My comments were never “extra info that’s not in the comics” — they were SPOILERS for things that happen later.
Ow. Still Payne. Why would Francis refer to himself as “him” and “his”? Oh, wait, black letters? Either you meant white letters or maybe you’re just referring to the “Small bites?” line? If so, the big black vampire said those two words.
1. Great comic Bobby & Owen.
2. The confusion over who is talking probably comes from TFZ’s speech bubbles being white lettering on black bubble, while everyone else’s has typically been black letters on white. AFP’s narrative here is in the same white-on-black as TFZ’s so the first reaction is to think it’s TFZ. Until you read it.
3. See #1.
oooh, finally the explanation of how he did it! I was skeptical before, since I wasn’t sure there would be an explanation beyond “He went around biting people and stuff”… which would have been pretty lame. Cause to wipe out 6 billion people in 2 days is no small task….
That’s four different people talking in white on black, and I might be missing a couple. It will be more apparent when reading it all in one sitting in the printed graphic novel, as it was meant to be read.
I’m glad someone else asked the question of who was speaking during the black-backgroung-white-letters sections. I was a tad confused as to whether it was an artistic choice and Payne was speaking the whole time, or if WLB was speaking in some sort of sarcastic, third person omniscient just to piss everyone off.
Although, the second choice, especially if you try to voice it out loud, is HILARIOUS. But incorrect. Try it!
I’m with you, Bobby – how anyone could not easily figure out who was talking is a puzzle.
The happy zombie pilot is pretty happy – but does he rival young Jimmy? ‘Cos young Jimmy was pretty happy, too, as y’all might recall? (someone post a link, ‘cos my computer sucks and it’d take too long for me to find)
zombies in hoodies … cool …..they look like the typical maladjusted type of ultra-happy airline passengers … the type you go out of your way to ignore …
wlb getting to ride in a jet plane … sure beats the planes buzzing around when he went into the big drink …
I know I’ll get called names about this, but while I wouldn’t call the explanation laughable, it is fairly weak. Please, insult away. I like the comic a lot, but your timeline doesn’t make much sense. I suspend my disbelief for the story, but come on.
1) You said yourself that TFZ can only make zombies do complex actions if he is in their general vicinity. That means that, at most, you have one plane working at a time. (Not to mention once his “seeders” are out of range on their planes they would, according to you, revert to regular zombie actions of eating anyone they can.)
2) The logistics is fairly impossible, even with zombies working round the clock, from one carrier, to wipe out the planet, even with nukes, in a month. It can take that long to sail to every place in the world.
3) That all-out nuclear war would affect TFZ’s logistics as much as the rest of the world, which would further hinder his efforts.
4) Your explanation that he could fly around the world dropping bombs and zombies just doesn’t take in account how *remote* some populated areas of the planet are. You just can’t fly to some places, and walking there would take easily over a month. (Assuming again that TFZ has to be in the vicinity for complex zombie actions.)
5) The most heavily secured areas of the planet *could* be breached as you described, but once again, there are doznes of these across the planet, and TFZ has to be in the area for complex action. That will take time.
6) And hey, just for a shout out to WWZ, what about the people on the ISS? They wouldn’t starve to death in a week.
Love the grin on TFZ’s face in the back of that jet fighter. Perfect blend of comic and macabre.
Been away from the comment threads for a while. Too much time spent following too many webcomics was eating into my day…
I know I was one of the major nit-pickers way back when, but this page rather succinctly answers any questions I ever had. I was previously under the impression that zombies under TFZ’s direct control could only use the skill set TFZ had from WW2.
Feh. If the zombies TFZ was controlling could use the skills they had while alive, *that’s* a whole different story. Especially since that means TFZ gets to nuke any pockets of military that somehow hold out too long.
Not that he really needed to, but maybe he was in a hurry one week.
Darn it. Now I am going to have to go back and read all the comment threads from where I left just to catch up on the gossip.
“The slang and casual tone made it seem very un-AFP-esque. :/”
He’s modern, why wouldn’t he use that? And if I’m mistaken AFP is getting direct and to the point because its clear how TFZ pull it all off. At this point AFP is fed up, the battle seems lost and explaining it all just seems like a waste of time. Thus the slang. See the Paint sketch and it covers his feelings / emotions in more detail.
In short good writing Bobby, your setting the mood nicely, and I’m sure it will come across much better in film format
That happy zombie rocks! Maybe he’s happy to be selected to fly TFZ about, as it seems like he is the pilot in the 2nd to last panel. :p
Great comic, great strip in general, do have one criticism though. “Stick up his ass the size of the pacific ocean” doesn’t seem like something AFP would say. To me it seems almost like a childish remark, and out of character of AFP. Just my opinion
Yeah, the white on black confused me a bit at first, until I noticed the very important lack of Francis in any of the panels (besides flashbacks.) Most villains don’t narrate their plans from the past. So I assumed that it was Addison speaking, despite the font for Francis. Never noticed the Caption thing, but it wasn’t too much of a leap.
Of course if ever a game about a story/movie is made at our studio we won’t rush it ^^ We’re indie and one of the reason us guys decided to create/join that company is, amongst other things, our dislike of poor quality games made out of great concept.
Anyway, dunno, the speech bubble didn’t seem weird on first reading, maybe it’s because it hasn’t been that long since I’ve read he whole comic in one go :S
I wasn’t expecting an explanation page, with all the talk about the hows and the whens and the whats of the infection in the comments, but meh… it’s worth the sarcasm Payne pours into it XD. Also the art… And it’s probably necessary for wiser people who don’t read comments. I’m starting to want to be part of those wiser people…
I have to agree with everyone that you shouldn’t have had to explain this, I mean come on, he did it people, yes he’s a physo genius, but when you think about it, it wasn’t actually that hard to figure out.
Hello Bobby, first time poster, though i stumbled upon your comic a few months ago from the webcomiclist.com and was really excited to see what you did with this premise. Amazing idea. Congratulations on the success of the comic, to both you and Owen for his awesome artwork(dude, you rock).
And now to stop boring everyone else who is reading this and get to my point! I would like to know more about what you are planning for the movie adaptation. Who would you like to have on board for this movie, and who ideally, would you cast for the characters?
So, first time poster, let’s say he wasn’t leaving them for last on purpose, then he would OBVIOUSLY have found them already and killed them and then this amazing work would not exist, so just shut up.
Ya know, for an expositional page, this was still badass. I love how AFP knows everything, too.
And hooo boy. Who’d have thought it would be so easy to zombify the entire world? Definently not me, that’s for sure. There was some major planning behind this. And a smart, cunning zombie has a scariness bonus of +100. At least.
Hey, just for kicks, can a Zombie infect a human body that’s already dead? Not from massive brain injury, which would kill a Zombie anyway, but let’s say that someone’s running from the zombie hordes, he trips and gets a fence post driven through his stomach and bleeds to death. Can he be reanimated when the shamblers catch up to him? Just out of curiosity.
“The dialogue in the second panel was not that great.
The slang and casual tone made it seem very un-AFP-esque.”
LOL. You even call him AFP, which stands for Addison FUCKING Payne, which of course is NOT his real middle name, but just something he called himself for fun because he’s crazy. You probably refer to Francis as WLB too, because of Addison calling him a whiny little bitch. I have no clue why you’d think that a casual tone and slang would not be said by this person, when all evidence points to the contrary.
Bongo Boy: Nothing you said makes any sense at all. It’s as if you didn’t realize (or see in Panel 5) that TFZ is of course IN THE PLANES WITH THE ZOMBIE PILOTS. You said he’d lose control of them when they go out of his range — how the heck would they go out of his range when he’s sitting right next to them the whole time?
“You just canâ€™t fly to some places, and walking there would take easily over a month.”
Why in the world can’t you fly a jumbo jet full of zombies with parachutes to anywhere in the world and then drop them all in the same place? That’s something else that would have been seen in the planned longer sequence, something I’ve said dozens of times in the comments. You kind of have to actually use your brain and think about what he might do with his powers if he had a brain, which he does.
“there are doznes of these across the planet, and TFZ has to be in the area for complex action. That will take time.”
Try looking at Panel 5. He’s flying in a fully armed fighter jet. Those things go kind of fast.
“And hey, just for a shout out to WWZ, what about the people on the ISS?”
Wow, again? I’ve answered this 20 times in the comments. They’d obviously be brought home within a week. Google it.
” ‘Stick up his ass the size of the pacific ocean’ doesnâ€™t seem like something AFP would say. To me it seems almost like a childish remark, and out of character of AFP.”
Yeah, and it’s not AT ALL childish to call someone a “whiny little bitch.” Another person who hasn’t actually read the comic.
“In the first panel.. Is that Math? Or a small child?”
LOL, wow. I guess today’s a good day for people to comment who haven’t read any previous pages of the comic. That’s Devian.
“Wow of course it all makes sense now, itâ€™s totally 100% clear how he could find and infect every single person on the face of the earth except some local yocals hiding out at a school house.”
And yet another person who hasn’t read ANY PREVIOUS PAGES OF THE COMIC, like the ones that clearly explained and showed that TFZ SET A TRAP for all the vampires by leaving just one group of humans left alive so he could CHAIN THEM ALL UP TO ENSURE THEIR TORTURE, and why choose this town — oh, maybe because it’s HIS HOME TOWN, jeez. Fucking morons.
And a stick up his ass the size of the pacific ocean… yup. Love that quote.
first time poster, and Bobby, thanks for the best comic I’ve read in a long, long time, been following it for over two months now. I’m actually sad its about to end – I really do hope you manage to make your movie and the sequels/prequels.
“I agree, If they havenâ€™t read the comments why do post one themselves?
Ok it takes a LITTLE bit of time but is WORTH it!!”
There’s no problem with them not reading the COMMENTS — the problem is with them not reading the COMICS while making 100% false criticisms because of that.
“It works fine in comics, I guess, but when this starts shooting, itâ€™ll feel clumsy and out of place.”
Opposite — will work much better on film, as everything does, but especially a scene like this, where it will feel like a cool treat to get flashbacks that answer important questions and see things that we wanted to see but thought we never would. It will be sort of like the “Basil Exposition” scenes at the end of the “Saw” movies (first two at least — haven’t seen the fourth and can’t even remember the end of the third).
awesome comic. totally makes sense to include an explanation of how the zombie spreads. its called a plot line. and perfect time to have it. i hate movies and comics that give too much information too early. this one has been great. even my wife who hates webcomics read this with me. when the movie comes out i might even pay to see it.
Is it going to go into the movie credits as ‘Addison F Payne’?
Personally I think the ‘Stick up his ass’ comment is entirely in character. Keep in mind that Payne has been doing his damnedest to keep the human race alive in spite of itself since before the Black Death hit. And then this whiny little bitch wipes it all out in a month because Val hurt his feelings…
Payne is seriously fucking pissed at the moment but can’t actually say anything really nasty because then it’s all over before you can blink.
Hmmm… Maybe he is deliberately trying to keep TFZ focused on that room and the people in it for some reason. I wouldn’t put it past him to have (or know of) one last ace that has yet to be played.
Since you’ve decided to be an ass, I see no reason not to be in response.
“Nothing you said makes any sense at all. Itâ€™s as if you didnâ€™t realize (or see in Panel 5) that TFZ is of course IN THE PLANES WITH THE ZOMBIE PILOTS. You said heâ€™d lose control of them when they go out of his range â€” how the heck would they go out of his range when heâ€™s sitting right next to them the whole time?”
Wow. Really? Yes, he’d be in *one* plane, and the world is a *huge* place. Your timeline isn’t remotely reasonable if he had to fly one plane to bomb everywhere there were survivors in the world. Logistics.
â€œYou just canâ€™t fly to some places, and walking there would take easily over a month.â€
“Why in the world canâ€™t you fly a jumbo jet full of zombies with parachutes to anywhere in the world and then drop them all in the same place?”
My comments don’t make sense to you because you don’t know what you are talking about. THERE ARE PLACES IN THE WORLD YOU CAN’T FLY. Not even close to them. That’s right, chief. There are places where the conditions are such that air travel is impossible. And people live there.
“You kind of have to actually use your brain and think about what he might do with his powers if he had a brain, which he does.”
And you kind of should know what the hell you are talking about before you spout off like a jackass.
â€œthere are doznes of these across the planet, and TFZ has to be in the area for complex action. That will take time.â€
“Try looking at Panel 5. Heâ€™s flying in a fully armed fighter jet. Those things go kind of fast.”
Wow, really? Do they? And can he magically make drills go faster? Because drilling a bunker takes forever. Not to mention getting the zombies qualified to do the work to the place. And finding an unused nuke to breach the area. It would take several days at minimum for each site.
â€œAnd hey, just for a shout out to WWZ, what about the people on the ISS?â€
“Wow, again? Iâ€™ve answered this 20 times in the comments. Theyâ€™d obviously be brought home within a week. Google it.”
Again, you obviously don’t know what it takes to put together a shuttle launch, do you? You can’t throw one together in a couple of days, let alone when society is falling apart.
A lot of people have been disrespectful to you in pointing out your failings, but frankly, you’re just a dick who thinks he knows more than he does.
“Since youâ€™ve decided to be an ass, I see no reason not to be in response.”
LOL, try reading the first sentences of your first post: “I know Iâ€™ll get called names about this, but while I wouldnâ€™t call the explanation laughable, it is fairly weak. Please, insult away.” You ASKED ME TO INSULT YOU. It really takes a special kind of moron to say the things you say.
“THERE ARE PLACES IN THE WORLD YOU CANâ€™T FLY. Not even close to them. Thatâ€™s right, chief. There are places where the conditions are such that air travel is impossible. And people live there.”
There isn’t a single place in the world where people are living that would take more than a week to reach if all of the world’s resources were used in the effort to reach it. I doubt there’s a place that would take more than a day to reach with TFZ’s resources. In your first comment you mentioned something about WALKING — why would TFZ need to walk anywhere when he has jet packs available and anything else in the world he wants to use?
“Because drilling a bunker takes forever.”
How many bunkers have you drilled while controlling zombies who don’t get tired and don’t need sleep? Nothing takes forever when you’re TFZ.
“It would take several days at minimum for each site.”
It would not take several days and you’re greatly overestimating the number of these places in the world that can withstand nuclear bombs. It’s not like many of them have actually been tested against such a thing either.
“Again, you obviously donâ€™t know what it takes to put together a shuttle launch, do you? You canâ€™t throw one together in a couple of days”
I guarantee you’re wrong about that. You’re thinking about things under NORMAL CONDITIONS as opposed to END OF THE WORLD conditions, where anything goes. Also, how long could anyone live in the space station with zero support from the ground, and is there any time at all each year where no one is up there? Either way, the space station discussion is obviously pointless and retarded and only something that someone would say who’s only intention is to grasp at straws to try to find any way possible to say the story sucks.Â They obviously CAN’T GET HOME WITHOUT SUPPORT FROM THE GROUND, so if they can never come home as of now, they’re as good as dead.Â Think about it, jeez.
Alright boy. If you know so much, then I’m sure you’ve heard of “suspension of disbelief.” This is Bobby’s story. If you can accept vampires and zombies, and if you have actually read the comments to know what you’re talking about, then and only then can you complain. But, if you are really that smart, you’d just leave instead of whining. Guys, Francis may be bad, but we got ourselves a new WLB.
You know, Bongo Boy, I love how you can accept that zombies and vampires can exist, but decide to argue logistics, ones that Bobby can explain just by saying “My comic, my movie, my rules, my reality, you fail”
I havn’t read all the comments, not even close, since I havn’t really bothered too. I understood the comic well enough without. But bongo boy, you’re a fucking idiot.
As far as I take it (I havn’t read these specific comics or comments in a few days, so I’m just running off memory) he’s still in control of all the zombies, even when he’s not near them. He can just make them do the same things thye could do when they were alive in the vicinity. Meaning that he could theoretically, from a long distance away, tell them “walk here, eat people”
And if you REALLY think about it, the world is VERY populated. Everywhere. Everywhere he whent, he would have millions of people to do whatever he wanted them to do.
It’s late, so I could just be rambling about nonsense, but still, use some fucking common sense Bongo Boy.
And Bobby, I don’t know if you’ve said this anywhere in the comments (I said before that I don’t really read them, only the few that are around the ones you post so I know what you’re talking about; actually, I don’t even remember if it’s been said in the comic right now…. Anyway,) but how far does TFZ’s/WLB’s/Francis’ or whatever the hell we’re calling him now’s stronger mind control? What’s the farthest distance he away he can make a zombie do the things it could do while alive, and is there a limit to it? if he had a million zombies in his area, up down left and right, could he control them all like that?
Jaysburn: It’s complicated and there are many facets to it. If it’s a simple command like STOP or KILL EVERYONE or MOVE TOWARDS THIS ONE PLACE (like the school), he can control an area of at least 1,000 miles in any direction. If he has to tell a pilot to fly his plane properly to a certain area, it takes a bit more concentration and it helps to be close to that pilot, and it would make it more difficult for him to simultaneously command other groups of troops. Also keep in mind that he can make zombies do things that they COULDN’T do as humans if he gives them specific instructions because he himself knows how to do it, and that takes even more concentration.
“It sounds to me like heâ€™s insinuating ‘Uh, DUHHH!’, which is rather obnoxious and, as Iâ€™ve said before, un-AFP-esque.”
There’s zero way of knowing if it’s un-Payne-esque, especially since no one has ever been in this specific situation before in history and he might act differently than he normally would, but I don’t understand how he’s acting any different. He’s had, what, 20 lines of dialogue in the whole book so far? Pretty darn hard to say he’s suddenly acting out of character, especially someone as unpredictable as him with the way he says things.
Sure there are places on the earth that you can’t fly to. But how many of them are places of any military importance? Nepal might last a while, but would it matter?
By the end of the third *day* every major metroplex like, for example, New York city is either a screaming madhouse of panicked people or full of zombies with occasional pockets of survivors that the zombies can’t get to.
By the end of the first week the metroplexes are gutted ruins and the zombie packs are spreading across the countryside looking for fresh food.
And all of this is without TFZ doing anything at all.
Heck, I wouldn’t be too surprised if TFZ was somehow directly responsible for the limited nuclear exchange I heard mentioned a couple times. Just to be sure the governments didn’t trust each other enough to organize an effective resistance while they still had a chance…
Three weeks or so with unimpeded air travel, an endless supply of minions wherever you go, and the ability to smell human survivors at something like a thousand miles? The only thing that would even slow TFZ down is the need to do it all himself. He certainly doesn’t seem to need to sleep or anything like that.
“A lot of people have been disrespectful to you in pointing out your failings, but frankly, youâ€™re just a dick who thinks he knows more than he does.”-Bongo Boy
I have to partially agree there, Bobby. I think that sometimes maybe you are wrong on issues, and I don’t believe I’ve seen any cases where you would even think of admiting a minor plot hole. (And there are some times when I believe there have been, but you will desperately try to disprove it, when it really is true.) Yes, people will dig through your writing as much as they possibly can to try and find a flaw. I suppose it is kind of a challenge to them.
I do, however, admire the fact that you do not simply block these arguements. ^_^ And thank you for taking time to read mine.
my only question is what were TFZ’s plans about 3 weeks after now when everybody is in to much pain to move or be guarded? my guess. puts on his own zombie broadway show, and hangs out drinking with grady.
“I think that sometimes maybe you are wrong on issues, and I donâ€™t believe Iâ€™ve seen any cases where you would even think of admiting a minor plot hole. (And there are some times when I believe there have been, but you will desperately try to disprove it, when it really is true.)”
Point those out please, since you’re such an expert on the matter that you can say “when it really is true.” Where are the plot holes?
i think these things are just getting over thought. places where a plane can’t fly? ICBM. bunker that would take days to get into? find a zombie who used to be a nuclear scientist, and nuke it. “but it’s super shielded against nukes”. but they can’t get out and walk right into a nuclear wasteland. hell, set off 4 or 5 nukes for good measure right on top of it. where would you get a nuke? i don’t know, the hundreds of nukes the american government has, not to mention several other nations around the globe. really, there are only a few places that would be difficult or time consuming to get to that would really require nukes and he’d have plenty laying around, and plenty of zombies who knew how to operate them and where each bunker was. and possibly even how to enter each bunker. it’s not like there are hundreds of vamps with super strength. it’s already been said that only a few of them have it anyway, they won’t be digging anybody out of a buried bunker. he didn’t turn everybody in the world into zombies, he just flat out killed a lot of them too. probably because it was indeed to difficult or time consuming to really give a damn about them. the US on it’s own currently has 5,736 active stockpile warheads. again one of a million possibilities. if somebody has grabbed control of all the major world governments, and doesn’t give a damn about anything but reducing the world’s population to a few dozen in some small remote area, he wins. no escape.
also on the “how did he find everybody” note, did he really have to start looking those first few weeks? 6 billion people across the globe. just start bombing and biting everywhere. i can’t help but think he wouldn’t have to spend time looking for survivors till there were only a handful left, and in the jets we have now with that kind of speed and his range of smell. it just can’t take that much time. it’s not like he has to stop as soon as he smells some. hell have a whole armada in the air and just drop off zombies as they fly, or just write a note on a map. again, just feels like having any problems with this doomsday situation is just over thinking it.
“There are places where the conditions are such that air travel is impossible. And people live there.”
-One, example please? and two, we aren’t talking about landing, there are no invisible walls in the air protecting certain places. You could fly over, or fly over somewhere close, and have parachuting zombies which would not only be effective but really really awesome aswell. this argument is stupid.
Tegu: Thank you for mentioning suspension of disbelief. It is definitely funny that people who can accept zombies and vampires run arround trying to argue over where said zombies can go.
And i definitely think there should be the line that justin said printed in BIG LETTERS at the top of the comments: â€œMy comic, my movie, my rules, my reality, you failâ€
I’m laughing at the comments on how some places cant be reached in a month. Today, if you take a straight flight from United States to China (across the world) it takes about 12 hours. Thats about the longest distance you can travel around the world if you’re talking about the shortest distance around. So there is no location that you could not travel to in a day if you were a zombie controlled by TFZ.
Also, there are places where LANDING an airplane would be difficult for humans, and the conditions would be hard for humans. But these are zombies, the only thing that kills them is if the brain is destroyed, or they’re torn apart in a way that the head is separated. Zombies wouldn’t even have to land a plane, they could crash and continue on, broken limbs don’t affect them.
Address places where you “can’t” air travel. There are always ways to get there. I’m thinking these places might be the Bermuda Triangle, or the Himalayas. But honestly, if you have a vast number of undead that don’t need to eat, sleep or breathe, this shouldn’t be an issue. If the plane crashes, they’ll still be able to consume humans.
And airplanes aside, there is technology that makes it possible to fly at higher altitudes then commercial, so wind speed doesn’t effect your time, and neither does rain or snow because you fly above the clouds. With GPS technology, TFZ could easily dip down to check out the conditions and quickly ascend to jet off to another location. Depending on what he flies, this would cut flying time down significantly. Doesn’t sound hard to me.
Anyways, sorry for the long post. I thought that since we were already holding a discussion, I should pass time in some way while eagerly awaiting the next update
I know you weren’t asking me, Bobby, but one plot hole that springs to mind is basing his success (largely) on his sense of smell. I DO know how the sense of smell works. The sensory organs in your nose require a certain density of airborne molecules of any given substance (usually measured in parts per million) to detect it. It’s a kind of sensory threshold. Anything less, and you can’t smell a thing. All of our senses function on much the same principle.
Now, I can go along with the idea that TFZ’s senses (and those of Math, Val, etc) are so incredibly sharp that they can detect the most minuscule of particle densities. But the thing is that those particles would need time to travel over hundreds or thousands of miles. To the point where four problems crop up.
Problem number one. The particles drop to the ground somewhere, because of rain or some other natural phenomenon. Hard to smell something that isn’t airborne anymore.
Problem number two. The particles become inert. The skin flakes and other cells that our body shed every day break down over time. That’s where dust comes from in our homes. (Not all of it, to be sure, but a decent amount of it.) As they break down into the base components (carbon, water, etc) they smell less like us, and more like those base components. Not only that, but separated from our bodies, those cells die quickly, and smell like dead stuff rather than warm, living people.
Problem number three. Density. Let’s say that the average human sense of smell can detect a scent at a density of one part per million of the substance in the air. (I’m sure we require much more than that, but humor me.) TFZ’s sense of smell would obviously be several orders of magnitude (at least) greater than ours, given the statements made so far. Perhaps one part per 10 to the 30th power. (That’s a 1 with 30 zeros after it, for those here who didn’t pay attention in math class.) The problem here isn’t detection, it’s contact. If there’s only a single atom/cell of a substance within a square mile, what are the chances of TFZ getting near it? Let alone inhaling it? And more than that, how is he to smell it while in a jet’s sealed canopy several hundred/thousand feet above the ground? (And don’t say that he opened/removed it. That would rip the jet to pieces in no time.)
And lastly, problem the fourth. Time. How long would it take for our scent to reach him, across mountains and such, and up to the planes he’s flying around in? By the time our scent reaches him, we aren’t where we were when those molecules that make our scent left our body. Not only that, but they are subject to winds. So if a wind carries our scent east for sixty miles, then meets a crosswind that carries it south for another sixty, how is he going to know where we are? And if he’s upwind, and our scent is being blown away from him, how is he going to smell us? His nose may defy physics, but we don’t. Sure, he could track us down given enough time, but the most he could immediately say would be that the wind carried our scent from a particular direction. (Airborne particles don’t move far without a breeze.)
I’m not sitting here saying “You fucked up! HAHAHAH” or anything. I’m just pointing out that sense of smell makes a poor plot device for this. Maybe a highly developed “sense” of the living things around him would work better? I mean, thousands of years of evolution could have given vampires the ability to sense their food without requiring any of the traditional five. And since TFZ has the ability to psychically control his minions, the potential for that kind of extra-sensory perception is certainly there.
Perhaps if/when the movie is made, and Math explains that he can smell blood from a long way off, he could explain that it’s not *really* his sense of smell, but he has no better way to explain the ability and/or that’s the only way that the mind can really interpret/comprehend said ability.
Just trying to be helpful, so don’t jump all over me for it.
Neko: The answer to that is the same answer as to why vampires can only be killed by a wooden stake through the heart but can survive anything else: that’s just the way it is. They have certain abilities and one of them is to smell and recognize blood at incredible distances, and only blood — anything other than blood they can only smell as well as humans can. It’s just one of those magical things and our laws of physics have nothing to do with it. It goes beyond all that and it’s instant.
Calling that a plot hole is like calling zombies or vampires in general a plot hole. It makes no sense.
The first sentence of the Wikipedia page for plot holes says “A plot hole is a gap or inconsistancy in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story’s plot.” This story has zombies and vampires who have special abilities, so it only goes against the flow of logic if you don’t buy that in general, and nothing’s inconsistent about it.
I would have said, “… with a stick up his arse like a pool que.”
Do zombies immediately start rotting that fast or is the idea that decay takes a normal amount of time and this is just to distinguish the zombies from the humans ?
And will they end up shambling corpses until their flesh falls from their bones and they can’t sustain their undeath any longer, or will they reach a certain level of corpseness and stay that way forever ?
“just to distinguish the zombies from the humans ?”
“And will they end up shambling corpses until their flesh falls from their bones and they canâ€™t sustain their undeath any longer, or will they reach a certain level of corpseness and stay that way forever ?”
They’ll stay around for a long time, possibly forever. The second graphic novel will definitively answer that question.
“My comments donâ€™t make sense to you because you donâ€™t know what you are talking about. THERE ARE PLACES IN THE WORLD YOU CANâ€™T FLY. Not even close to them. Thatâ€™s right, chief. There are places where the conditions are such that air travel is impossible. And people live there.”
In the 1990s we dropped high grade explosives in Yugoslavia from an Airbase in Ohio without stopping to land. We could under emergency circumstances have Boots on ground in Mongolia from the US airbases in under 10 hours.
Also most of these superbunkers that might survive nukes generaly would be in super populated areas Ney york,DC,London,Paris,Tokyo places there large amounts of explody things already are in place.
I think vampirism is spread by way of prions. (A prion is a complex protein that can act as a catalyst to change other proteins to it’s own form. BSE is an example of that.) When a vampire turns into a schaemiac, the prion itself also changes to an emergency configuration, so that instead of creating a new vampire, it creates a zombie.
The schaemiac can control them because it is his signature prion that infected them. Unfortunately, just like new vampires inherit the inability to generate red blood cells (thus need to drink blood), so do zombies inherit the emergency configuration of prion.
Zombies retain some of the abilities of the schaemiac, like bloodsense and the desire for blood, which makes them horrible effective as a fire-and-forget weapon. They’ll hunt down the nearest human and bite them, but are never able to fulfill their hunger so they keep doing it.
They also retain a weak form of (supernatural) regeneration, which causes the zombie look: they tend to rapidly degenerate to the same state of the schaemiac, but as long as their own blood supply lasts, they won’t decay further. They can’t heal wounds or regrow limbs, but as long as the brain and nerve system remains intact the zombies keep going.
Hmm.. if only we had Payne’s research data… he would know
Yea, I suggested that pool que up the arse idea to somebody once. Didn’t laugh. Probably the way I worded it. “Why don’t just ask your boss to go fuck herself with a pool que and die?” Don’t ask me for many kinds of advice, or complain to me about your boss.
Killing people on the ISS would be relatively easy. There are plenty of weapons that could be used to destroy it. The only hard part would be locating the zombies who knew to run them. China, Russia, and the US all have satellite killer weapons.
There are also plenty of weapons that can collapse bunkers. Nukes set to ground burst wouldn’t do it, but penetrating rounds would.
I think you would have to extend TFZ’s range and say he could control zombies from anywhere in the world, but after that, no problem.
And, dude, we’re not speculating in order to say the story sucks. We’re just trying to make it stronger and better.
“And, dude, weâ€™re not speculating in order to say the story sucks. Weâ€™re just trying to make it stronger and better.”
That might be YOUR purpose, sure, and there’s nothing wrong with speculation, but the people who say that there are definitely huge errors in the story are are just trying to say the story sucks in any way they can, yes.